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I'm hearing guys post that debt can be a good thing under certain situations.

I disagree.

Debt is a siren song, designed to trick you into making really bad decisions and bankrupting your future.

Imagine a casino. The casino rakes in millions of dollars in cold, hard cash every evening. You probably understand how it does that -- boomers who are too stupid to realize that they can never win the jackpot. But no, YOU'RE the smart one, YOU know how to beat the system. So you show up every night with a hundred bucks in your pocket, and you end up going home with barely the shirt on your back.

What happened?

You forgot the ONE RULE of casinos: THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.

THAT IS HOW BANKS WORK TOO. The BANK **ALWAYS WINS**. If you make money, they make money. If you lose money, **they make even more money.** If times are tough for you, **they make even more money.**

Banks NEVER want to see you succeed. Quite the opposite. They are gambling that you WON'T succeed. They win bigger when you lose!

If you really, really need money, then there are ways of getting money WITHOUT GOING INTO DEBT. Let me share a few examples:

1. ASK FOR FREE MONEY. Go to your friends and family, and tell them what you intend to do with the money, and ask them for it. You might be surprised how often they will just give it to you for a song and a prayer. Go to your customers and ask them for free money too. You'll be surprised how loyal customers respond to such strange requests!
2. ASK FOR AN INTEREST-FREE LOAN. Real friends and family will almost always be willing to give you and interest free loan. Sometimes they will borrow against their 401k and just ask you to cover the interest they'd have to pay -- to themselves. Sometimes they won't even ask for that, because they know it is their own money.
3. ASK FOR AN INVESTMENT. And investment is different than a loan because the investor ONLY wins when you win big. You have to be careful with investment because you are going to have to sign away part of your business to them, so don't be stupid about this. Never sell more than 51% of your business, unless you want to get out of the business.
4. ASK FOR MONEY UP FRONT. Oftentimes, general contractors shoulder the burden of construction until the project is finished, so people expect this more often than not. But don't be afraid to say something like, "I need some up front cash to get started so I can pay my employees and get materials." If you need it, you need it. Don't be afraid to ask for it.

We have been programmed to think that the ONLY way to get money is to walk into a bank and beg for a decent interest rate. NONSENSE! We have also been deceived into thinking that we can somehow gamble our future away and win. It doesn't work!

Let me explain the fundamental principle behind interest bearing loans: Whether it is sunny or rainy, Sunday or Monday, summer or winter, whether you broke your leg or you are in good health, interest accumulates. You might think you can beat the odds, but you can't. Eventually, something is going to happen, and when you realize that your castle is really a house of cards because it relies on loans -- you see what can happen.

Dave Ramsey has a wonderful story from his life. He was flipping houses like a madman, and making money hand over fist. However, he needed short-term loans to buy houses and to get them fixed. Yes, he was making good money on top of the loans with interest, but one day the bank called him up and say "Pay back the loans right now." When that happened, his business disappeared. He could no longer buy houses and get materials to fix them and flip them. Without banks funding his venture, he had nothing.

Instead, you MUST build up wealth the old fashioned way. SPEND LESS THAN YOU EARN AND INVEST WISELY. Buy things with CASH, not CREDIT. Watch carefully how money comes in and goes out, and if you realize that you will be short of cash -- SOLVE THAT FIRST.

Do NOT get involved with loans and debt and interest rates. Yes, SOME kinds of loans make a lot of sense, like real estate, but even then -- you're playing with fire!
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Butttoucha9k on scored.co
1 year ago 14 points (+0 / -0 / +14Score on mirror ) 4 children
Wrong(in our current situation only), and here is why(also how the jews tricked ppl into supporting their ideas).

Before, you would be correct. With a finite specie currency the value of the currency goes up over time. This means if I take out 100k debt today, that 100k debt is worth more in 10 years. THIS IS WHY USURY WAS BANNED IN ALL OF CHRISTENDOM. IT WASNT NECESSARY TO PROFIT. THEY WERE DOUBLE CHARGING FROM GREED. This is very important to understand. This worked for a LONG time. But what happens in this system is that your debt GROWS the longer you have it, the harder it is to pay off. That harms the people in debt(as it should as a strong deterrent to debt accrual).

Well, the jew bankers LIKE debt, and the powers that be were in it. So we're the farmers from annual "agriculture loans" they would take out. So they sold them the idea of a fiat currency "greenbacks". With a fiat currency the money would INFLATE instead of DEFLATE, making your debt worth LESS in the future.

If I take 100k worth of debt out today, because of inflation, in ten years my debt is WORTH LESS because 100k is WORTH LESS. So the debt is reduced naturally. This means the smartest idea in the current fucked system is to be in as much debt as possible as early as possible to accrue real asset to profit from. Because every day you don't is a day that debt could've reduced through inflation and a day that the value of those real assets increases.
Formerlurker92 on scored.co
1 year ago 7 points (+0 / -0 / +7Score on mirror )
Thank you both for this
Jarilo on scored.co
1 year ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror ) 3 children
You definitely don't want credit card debt. No amount of regular inflation will erode that away. Car financing sucks in most cases, but can be OK if the use case is right. Mortgage debt can be good if you can afford it and if you are not stupid about it.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror )
Yes the interest rates have to be evaluated and understood. Specifically you want to accrue debt into REAL ASSET (land, manufacturing equipment, etc) ways to profit from the debt or finite assets that will increase over time to offset the interest and only if it makes sense.
Happygo on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
It's unsecured debt. Ie check your state bankruptcy laws but it's possible to just accrue until you can't get anymore credit and default.

You'll recover borrowing ability in like 2-4 years.
Jarilo on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
This is not a good way to live.
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
1 year ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 1 child
It's a terminal way to live.

If you're *sure* that your country will collapse in the next few years, borrowing money to buy guns in the now is a good idea.

Generally you're right. I have a friend who tried this when he was young and he's basically trapped in poverty because, if he makes anything, they'll take it.

And still the interest accrues...
Jarilo on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
>If you're sure that your country will collapse in the next few years, borrowing money to buy guns in the now is a good idea.

That's the problem. You can never be sure. During the cold war, there were a lot of people building fallout shelters and stocking up supplies, because they were sure that nuclear Armageddon is imminent. In the late 70's / early 80's, there was a general feeling that a collapse is going to happen very soon. Being a doomer is usually not a good strategy and it's wise to take a break if you are sliding down into severe doomerism.
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Financing a car is always stupid.

You *may* win if you own the car for 10+ years.

Likely, that won't happen.

Real estate *can* be a good idea, if, as you said, you are really careful about it. Don't expect that you are going to be employed for the next 30 years and getting raises each year!
Jarilo on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
Financing a car may be a good idea if you use it for business and can take advantage of tax incentives.

>Don't expect that you are going to be employed for the next 30 years and getting raises each year!

This is a misconception. Do you realize what 30 years of inflationary policy does to money? Also, many people either sell before even paying off the mortgage or they pay off their mortgage early. I did both.

Buying real estate with a mortgage may be a good idea if all of these apply:

- You can afford it (not just barely qualifying)
- You have a good financial reserve to get you through bad times
- Monthly cost minus principal are less than equivalent rent.
- The home is located away from niggers
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
That last point is really important.

If you trade houses, and all too often I see people doing this, they leave their 30-year mortgage that is now at 20 years left, and get a new 30-year mortgage when there is no way they will be working (at their current salary) in 30 years. You should be paying that debt down over time, not transferring the debt of home ownership to your future self, knowing full well that your future self might be disabled, elderly, or both.

A good goal with regards to debt is to pay off the home as soon as you can. Obviously, other loans should be paid off first, but take the snowball of all that interest you are no longer paying and put it into your home loan. Even increase your home payments by 50% can significantly reduce the total amount of interest you owe on the home, and bring you closer to becoming debt-free by years and years.

Don't kid yourself -- you don't really own your home until you have it paid off!
systemthrowaway on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
>Don't kid yourself -- you don't really own your home until you have it paid off!

If you really want to doom technically nobody ever owns their homes because of property tax. To be fair I'm not even strictly against property tax, it's just the way it works right now is very jewish.
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
> If I take 100k worth of debt out today, because of inflation, in ten years my debt is WORTH LESS because 100k is WORTH LESS.

It sounds like you figured out how to count cards.

The problem with this strategy is that if sometime between now and when inflation actually hits you DON'T get a rapid influx of cash (and guess who DOESN'T get cash in inflationary periods!) you WON'T be able to pay off the debt. Your property value WILL fall when interest rates go up, and the bank will demand you settle the debt, forcing you to sell your property at below market value.

If you were a jew with connections to the Fed, you'd do just fine with this strategy. But since you AREN'T, YOU WILL LOSE!
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
> With a finite specie currency the value of the currency goes up over time.

This lead to all sorts of other problems with deflation. Rich people get richer and richer, and poor people can't even find two pennies to rub together.

It is a fact that when there was a massive influx of silver into the Spanish Empire, they all got rich together.
MostlyPeacefulPoster on scored.co
1 year ago 8 points (+0 / -0 / +8Score on mirror ) 1 child
Bad advice.

It's really easy to understand if debt is useful or not. Will you make more money if you take on debt or less? Almost all personal debt isn't worth it. Debt for a car? No. Debt for a house? Not actually usually worth it but depends on expected price appreciation and how low you initially bought the property for.

Debt to buy a business? A better idea.

Debt to start a business or expand your existing one? Also potentially a better idea.

Take a newly graduated dentist. The dentist works for 2 years and gains some experience. He can take on a loan to start his own dental office or keep working for another dentist. In most cases he's better off taking on the loan to start his own dental office.

It's a simple formula for understanding if debt will benefit you or not. Banks also don't always win. We saw tons of bank failures over the last 5 years. That's because when a bank locks in a loan at 4% then interest rates go up to 7%. The bank is now paying 5% on its liabilities and only earning 4% on its assets.

Borrowing from friends and family is usually a terrible idea for many different reasons. For 1: nothing is free. Friends and family often try to exert influence on a business/transaction when they lend to it and this can be very problematic. You might also permanently damage your relationships with family/friends. Also, you might end up net poorer if someone lends to you for free. What if your friends/family could have invested the money they lent you for a 10% return whereas bank interest is only 5%? By lending to you, your overall net worth between friends and family will be lesser. There's also huge risk involved in lending to friends/family. What happens if the venture fails to earn a return? Now the friend/family loses the money they lent to you and you don't earn a return. Both of you are significantly worse off but if you borrowed from a bank and failed in your venture only the bank loses not your friend/family.

Just be smart about your borrowing. I can tell you whether it's a good or bad idea to borrow pretty easily. Most people who fail when they borrow are actually borrowing to CONSUME PRODUCT instead of borrowing to invest. Many people try to justify their consumption as an investment like "owning a house is a smart investment decision because then you don't pay rent" as they justify buying some weird as fuck house in the middle of no where that would never resell. Or "my new business needs Teslas for every employee to save the planet. Green is a great investment!" Yeah no, fuck off retard.
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
The bank failures were not caused by bad loans, but bad investments. They had to maintain a certain amount of assets, and they put their money on things that they thought were sure gambles, but weren't.

> be smart about your borrowing

Be smart by NOT borrowing.

People who are too dumb to know when it is smart to borrow should never borrow.

People who are smart enough to figure out when it is smart to borrow never borrow.

How many companies have failed because of debt? How many rich people ended up poor because of debt? Look it up. It's what kills people. Had they just taken a little longer to grow, earned their profits FIRST and then expanded the business, they would never have put themselves at risk. But no, they leveraged FUTURE income to get money NOW, and what happens if that income doesn't show up? Well, now they are totally screwed.
xmasskull2 on scored.co
1 year ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror )
Debt,credit,credit rating.....ect.

All designed by jooish money grubbers.

If YOU are debt free,**"I Salute You!"**
BeefyBelisarius on scored.co
1 year ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 1 child
I'd say banks are even more insidious than casinos. Because like in your Ramsey example, carefully managed debt can be very profitable to you and works very well, right up until the day you make a mistake with it or some banker decides today is a good day to jew you for their own profit.
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
You got it!
Brannvesen on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
True freedom is to be debt free, you'll notice how cost of living becomes incredibly low, hence every month you'll end up with more money than you spend, money that you can save. Not in your mattress, and definitely not in a (((bank account))) but in investments, anything that gives a return basically, the level if risk is on you.

As time moves on, you can work fewer hours on a wage slaving dead end job and spend more time at home, with your family, building on your property to improve quality of life. Until one day when you punch your piece of shit boss in his face and leave that shithole workplace for good.

Preferably move to a country that has tax funded services, such as healthcare and so on. This way you won't get jewed and end up in debt, losing everything just because you break your leg when you try to kick start your farming equipment and have to be taken to hospital by ambulance helicopter.
yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
The simple fact is this: ALL debt says "I will enslave my future self to today's desires." You spend the money now, you pay later.

Your future self will blame your past self for making bad decisions if you borrow money at interest!

The smart person pays himself by saving and investing wisely. His future self reaps the income and increased wealth from those investments and praises his past self for wise decisions! Give up a little NOW, spend the money LATER!
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yudsfpbc on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
The envelopes are for retarded people who DON'T pay off their credit cards each month or who can't figure out that spending $20 today means they owe $20 next month!

There is a reason why the credit cards love to pay you to take a gamble each month. Once you miss a payment, you owe them BIG.

It's better to deal with cash because it disciplines your mind into thinking really hard about whether it is worth the trouble of getting the cash out, trucking it to the store, and managing the change.

More importantly, you have to learn when to stop spending. Our great grandparents knew what it was like to live with no cash at all. They figured out how to make do with what they had. We need to learn the same. When that envelope is empty, and you're hungry, you get really inventive really fast!
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Captain_Raamsley on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Debt is OK, Interest is not. Christ is clear on this, and that's all I care about.
Tombstone2W on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Or go full hasidic jew. Get married through your faith, but not government. Saddle wife with debt but now she is a home maker and don't pay any of it. She recieves handouts for her and your children since she makes no money. You won't be listed on the birth certificate, but thats more government paper. Help push the system closer to complete collapse. Some risk potential with guardianship if things go wrong, but hopefully you've been smart with the money you earned.
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Tombstone2W on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Yeah, it is but they don't do the taking care of the family part
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