10 months ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
Disagree with premises mirroring "if a tree fell but no one heard it, then did it truly make a sound?" There is always Consequence. What happens is just as important as what does not— the purpose of a system is what it does! That said, we should not expect to know or understand every Consequence, but keep History in mind when taking Action.
What I was trying to say with that question was that an evil deed can take place where the perprator does not see any consequences, but it is still evil. The falling tree makes a sound. There can even be evil things done consensually and no one involved perceives the consequences. The consequences can come later and / or to unrelated parties. So it is very incomplete to generalize the entire concept of morality to just consequence.
There is right and wrong regardless of the consequences or lack thereof. That is what morality is. We cant always wait for the results to find out what is right or wrong to do. We must know what is evil before we act.
Although new ground always awaits, our world is not an infant! There is over five thousand years of History to reflect on! Vlad the Impaler is interpreted as an evil figure, but there is no arguing his Results. Conversely, no one will cry for our "evil" Nation if we are successfully vanquished!
Let me simplify. A shoplifter goes uncaught. Was it moral / okay to shoplift bc there were no consequences? Is the shop owner evil or immoral bc he suffers the consequences?
What is the evil deed: the theft or the failure to prevent it?
I enjoy this Dialogue, but neither side is willing to budge. There is always Consequence because nothing exists in a vacuum!
If the thief escaped, it might incentivize an encore, or perhaps he'll remain content with his haul. Perhaps the guilt will eat him up, or perhaps not.
The shopkeeper will be ever so slightly poorer, and might have to raise prices or increase security to compensate. Alternatively, he didn't notice at all!
Real life isn't a disney movie; things like this do happen and nothing can be done about it. People cry that meat consumption is murder, and yet billions perpetuate this "crime". My view is that morality is subjective, as unfortunate as that may be!
There is right and wrong regardless of the consequences or lack thereof. That is what morality is. We cant always wait for the results to find out what is right or wrong to do. We must know what is evil before we act.
What is the evil deed: the theft or the failure to prevent it?
If the thief escaped, it might incentivize an encore, or perhaps he'll remain content with his haul. Perhaps the guilt will eat him up, or perhaps not.
The shopkeeper will be ever so slightly poorer, and might have to raise prices or increase security to compensate. Alternatively, he didn't notice at all!
Real life isn't a disney movie; things like this do happen and nothing can be done about it. People cry that meat consumption is murder, and yet billions perpetuate this "crime". My view is that morality is subjective, as unfortunate as that may be!