2 years ago14 points(+0/-0/+14Score on mirror)1 child
Cooperation of a large number of talented individuals, using many different complex machines developed with industrial processes, expressing beauty and emotion deeper than "fuck, eat, fight", long history and cultural connections
Also add: skill derived from thousands of hours of dedicated practice and learning, from prior artisans, in an attempt to elevate oneself and the medium, for one's people and future generations.
2 years ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)2 children
It’s the only form of music that is genuine “art”. There is no music video, there is no message that relates to everyday life. It’s just pure musical and technical skill. Everything else is a carefully constructed product. Just look at modern country. Fake accents,over reliance on music videos and radio, 3-minute simple songs about trucks, beer, and girls in jeans. FGL has been on record saying that any song that takes over 3 MINUTES to write is too complicated for their audience, so they scrap it.
The only thing that comes close is some rock stuff since they also let the instruments do the work themselves. No music video, radio station, or pandering to an audience are required. I know Radiohead fans get a bad rep but their music are a great example of letting the instruments convey the theme and emotions of the song themselves. You can literally feel the anxiety and nerves pouring out of the guitar on songs like man of war or paranoid android.
The general public are not versed in music. Girls wanna listen to Taylor swift sing about prom and bad boys. Guys wanna see Luke combs sing about beer. People just want music to be relatable. They don’t care about grand orchestras demonstrating years of talent and work in an academy.
2 years ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
> It’s the only form of music that is genuine “art”. There is no music video, there is no message that relates to everyday life. It’s just pure musical and technical skill.
I know what you're saying, and appreciate the comment, but I disagree with this part somewhat.
First, most classical music was/is organized and conducted by people who also partook in opera, with words sung to convey stories and messages.
Second, art has multiple purposes. It can convey beauty, tell stories, teach lessons, pass on tradition, bring people closer together, inspire, and invigorate. Music can do all of this with or without words, depending on the emotions and thoughts evoked from the composition, which can change depending on the individual. Words add more concrete intention of the music.
> FGL has been on record saying that any song that takes over 3 MINUTES to write is too complicated for their audience, so they scrap it.
A few days ago I started listening to the complete Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring Cycle) by Richard Wagner. It's a 4 part opera based on ancient Germanic and Norse legend, that when combined is about 15 hours long. A small snippet is where the song "Ride of the Valkyries" comes from, which I hadn't realized is supposed to be combined with an opera.
Art should have a lot more variance than the commercialized few minute snippets played over the radio. There are merits to short and long form music, though. But yes, I agree with you that the mainstream music industry is thoroughly corrupt, and not for our benefit.
2 years ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
I suppose I should have been a bit more specific. The messages of classical music operate within stories that are being told, and it can convey a particular emotion with the technical skill alone. Yes words help, but take any Taylor swift instrumental song and you can rarely read the theme of the song, words are required. Not the same in classical music, or even most rock. Take their instrumental and you instantly feel the song.
When I said “that relates to everyday life”, I was specifically talking about simple songs like beer and trucks that are found in country. Classical music can tell actual stories with heroes and tragedies and it makes sense it works with opera in this regard.
> I suppose I should have been a bit more specific. The messages of classical music operate within stories that are being told, and it can convey a particular emotion with the technical skill alone. Yes words help, but take any Taylor swift instrumental song and you can rarely read the theme of the song, words are required. Not the same in classical music, or even most rock. Take their instrumental and you instantly feel the song.
I can definitely agree with that. I definitely gravitate toward classical music that better evokes emotion. There are some sub genres of classical that don't do that, or do it as well.
> When I said “that relates to everyday life”, I was specifically talking about simple songs like beer and trucks that are found in country. Classical music can tell actual stories with heroes and tragedies and it makes sense it works with opera in this regard.
True as well. Depends on the song, but averaged differences among genres definitely appear, and can change over time.
Yeah it's pretty good
The only thing that comes close is some rock stuff since they also let the instruments do the work themselves. No music video, radio station, or pandering to an audience are required. I know Radiohead fans get a bad rep but their music are a great example of letting the instruments convey the theme and emotions of the song themselves. You can literally feel the anxiety and nerves pouring out of the guitar on songs like man of war or paranoid android.
The general public are not versed in music. Girls wanna listen to Taylor swift sing about prom and bad boys. Guys wanna see Luke combs sing about beer. People just want music to be relatable. They don’t care about grand orchestras demonstrating years of talent and work in an academy.
I know what you're saying, and appreciate the comment, but I disagree with this part somewhat.
First, most classical music was/is organized and conducted by people who also partook in opera, with words sung to convey stories and messages.
Second, art has multiple purposes. It can convey beauty, tell stories, teach lessons, pass on tradition, bring people closer together, inspire, and invigorate. Music can do all of this with or without words, depending on the emotions and thoughts evoked from the composition, which can change depending on the individual. Words add more concrete intention of the music.
> FGL has been on record saying that any song that takes over 3 MINUTES to write is too complicated for their audience, so they scrap it.
A few days ago I started listening to the complete Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring Cycle) by Richard Wagner. It's a 4 part opera based on ancient Germanic and Norse legend, that when combined is about 15 hours long. A small snippet is where the song "Ride of the Valkyries" comes from, which I hadn't realized is supposed to be combined with an opera.
Art should have a lot more variance than the commercialized few minute snippets played over the radio. There are merits to short and long form music, though. But yes, I agree with you that the mainstream music industry is thoroughly corrupt, and not for our benefit.
When I said “that relates to everyday life”, I was specifically talking about simple songs like beer and trucks that are found in country. Classical music can tell actual stories with heroes and tragedies and it makes sense it works with opera in this regard.
I can definitely agree with that. I definitely gravitate toward classical music that better evokes emotion. There are some sub genres of classical that don't do that, or do it as well.
> When I said “that relates to everyday life”, I was specifically talking about simple songs like beer and trucks that are found in country. Classical music can tell actual stories with heroes and tragedies and it makes sense it works with opera in this regard.
True as well. Depends on the song, but averaged differences among genres definitely appear, and can change over time.