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posted 7 days ago by MickHigan2 on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +40Score on mirror )
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devotech2 on scored.co
7 days ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 2 children
Bro the founders weren't the fucking American right wing. They weren't centrists either. For their time period they were absolutely leftists, but that meant a much different thing back then than it has since the French revolution. The American right wing was comprised of the Tories. The loyalists were the American right wing.

>Masonic liberalism

Masonry in the US was corrupted by jews after they had all already died.

>feudalism

Never existed in the colonies and it was a bloated corpse of an economic system. Who the fuck in their right mind would advocate for it in the late 1700s?

>socialism

Did not exist. Economic liberalism was the economic left wing of those times, the economic right wing was mercantalism, or feudalism in some countries. The Tories had some mercantilist tendencies, but the whole of the UK was pretty much switching to free markets.

The Tories and the whigs (the rebels) believed in essentially the exact same systems. What made the whigs left wing of the Tories was the rejection of the British gentry and monarchy, and the British banking system. And the Tories themselves were economically left wing of, say, France, which was still largely mercantalist/feudalist and not liberalized.
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
7 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
It really, really depends on how you define left-wing.

In the 18th Century, English politics was dominated by whigs. Whiggism came about because of John Locke's writings after the English Civil War. Whigs valued freedom and saw government's sole purpose as protecting freedom. God gave his power to men, who create governments to secure those powers.

They were completely OK with monarchy or any form of government as long as it respected the rights that God gave men. See the Declaration for instance.

The whigs didn't reject the royals, the gentry or monarchy or anything like that. They were perfectly OK with anything as long as it respected individual rights

Oddly enough, the Tories were the rebels and revolutionaries. They formed as a reaction against the Whigs and saw the king as a way to pull down their government and rebuild it. If anyone was a leftist in the early 18th Century, it would be the Tories as they were against the status quo.
devotech2 on scored.co
7 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
The whigs become the dominant power after William of Orange took control over England. They were okay with monarchy but not absolute monarchy. William of orange implemented the changes that would culminate in parliament having dominance over royalty in political affairs. This continued with the hanoverians.

The Tories of the time, were absolute monarchists who were deposed by William and went into the underground. They became the "rebels", but don't be fooled, they were reactionary and to the far right of the whigs. The Tories never became armed and dangerous revolutionaries though. That title would go to people further to the right than they were, the jacobites, who they flirted with a bit but never fully associated with. The difference between the Jacobites and the Tories was that the Tories were willing to make concessions to the deposition of James II, and did not believe in catholicism in government but believed that the Stuarts had the right to the throne due to the line of succession. The jacobites actually *were* catholic royalists who wanted a catholic absolute monarch and would not make any concessions over the issue.

But none of this has much to do with the whigs and Tories in colonial America, who didn't have anything to do with the actual whig and Torie parties. These were more arbitrary labels given to loyalists and rebels. Which is ironic, because in the UK it was mostly the opposite, though George III let the Tories back into government for the first time since William. But the *american* whigs rejected the royals and landed British gentry, which made them veer left of the American Tories. But the American whigs and Tories were closer to each other on most matters than the British whigs and Tories.
BlackPillBot on scored.co
7 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
The thing people also don’t understand is that you could take more, or at least some liberties with experimenting, for lack of a better term, with things that leaned more moderate to right for the times because we were still an overwhelmingly majority white Christian country. We’re so mongrelized, and lobotomies now, that doing this in modernity is an instant death sentence, and it shows.
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